Right on, sister!  This situation with Polanski is sick, disgusting, and makes me ashamed to be a human.

Posted by  on  09/30  at  08:37 PM

this post makes me glad i follow you on twitter

@bpmcgackin

Posted by Brian McGackin  on  09/30  at  08:38 PM

arghhhh :(

(terry gilliam whyyyyy)

Posted by  on  09/30  at  08:48 PM

Your so-called “Twitter Meltdown” is nothing to be sorry about. I don’t understand why so many people are being so stupid about this. I keep hearing, “doesn’t everyone deserve forgiveness?” No. Not in my opinion. Not for this. It’s entirely unacceptable for life to be viewed as some sort of Monopoly game where all of the famous people receive Get Out of Jail Free cards. The more people continue to escape the consequences of their actions, the more other people will think it is okay for them to do similar, or even worse, things.
It is completely beyond me how anyone can respect Roman Polanski when he so clearly doens’t respect others.
Rant all you like, it’s perfectly understandable when the world seems to have gone so crazy.

Posted by Mitch  on  09/30  at  08:54 PM

Ohhh...just ohhh...I’m so angry I don’t even know what to say!
I got your back lady, you just send those “snarky remark” makers my way…

Posted by  on  09/30  at  08:58 PM

I followed your “meltdown” earlier as it happened and Twitter and I couldn’t agree more with you. All I can think about is “what if it were my younger sister” or if I had one “what if it were my daughter” that this happened to. If this were a soldier on some foreign soil who did this, those same people would be screaming for his blood as they rightly should.

This an example of why, if you can’t show “common sense” in something like this, I am not going to listen to some “pseudo-celebrity” tell me how I should think or feel any anything.

Posted by  on  09/30  at  09:00 PM

Yes, the apologists make me angry, but the point is...he’s in jail. He’s no longer walking free. Keep shouting, Marjorie. Keep reminding us all just exactly what this monster did. He raped a child, and then walked free for decades.

Posted by Belinda McBride  on  09/30  at  09:12 PM

I laugh that many of the celebs you mention believe Polanski’s “served his time” - 42 days in a state jail under ‘psychological evaluation’.

Really?

42 days for raping & sodomizing a 13-year old girl begging to go home to her Mom?  Wow! 42 days!

It took over 6 months for the principal filming of ‘The Pianist’, but he served just over 1 month for raping a child.

I hardly know what to say.

Posted by  on  09/30  at  09:13 PM

Thank you for having the ‘balls’ to stand up and speak out.

Posted by Amy  on  09/30  at  09:20 PM

WOW!  Guess I know whose entertainment products coming from Hollywood I am no longer spending money on.  Thanks for your post.

Posted by  on  09/30  at  10:05 PM

Never apologize for getting upset over the things which truly matter.

My favorite excuse?  “Well, it all happened years ago.”

Uh-huh.  And what part of fugitive overseas did you not understand?

Can barely type about this.

Dr. Phil

Posted by Dr. Phil  on  09/30  at  11:52 PM

Marjorie, I love this post.

Thank you so much for drawing attention to the utter CRAZINESS of these celebrity reactions.

I keep watching that video with Whoopi and the ‘rape-rape’ travesty. OMG, I had such respect for that woman. Now? Not so much.

Posted by Karen Mahoney  on  10/01  at  03:43 AM

Hollywood is disgusting. How dare they support him this way? And yet, we pay these people to live like kings.

Is there a petition to sign to put him in jail and keep him there?

Posted by Kristen Painter  on  10/01  at  06:45 AM

I never had much respect for these celebs or their opinions to begin with, so somehow, I’m not shocked. Some of the people defending Polanski are the same people who pal around with murderous dictators, or uphold convicted cop killer Mumia abu Jamal as a political cause. I’ve long since stopped listening to their opinions. It’ll just make you sick.

Posted by Stephen Speck  on  10/01  at  06:55 AM

Marjorie, never apologize for standing up for what is right!  I don’t care who you are or what great things you have done in your life if you break the law in anyway, but most assuredly like this you GO TO JAIL!!!!  Any one who is standing up for this sick monster should be subjected to the same exact thing that he did to his victim and then lets see if they’re still in his sick and perverted corner!  Thank you for bringing this to our attention! \m/\m/ ROCK ON MARJORIE!!!!!

Posted by  on  10/01  at  11:28 AM

If people can’t be concerned over the lives and welfar of the defenseless, over CHILDREN, they have no right being concerned over much of anything. 

Don’t apologize.

Posted by Shiloh Walker  on  10/01  at  12:26 PM

Amen and hell yah. And quite frankly, talent does NOT supercede human rights, or legalities. Drugging and raping that girl defined him forever: he’s a rapist. And he’s a fugitive. And he needs to stand up and accept his responsibility. Anything less and he’s a sniveling coward as well as a criminal.

Posted by Yasmine Galenorn  on  10/01  at  12:36 PM

Amen!!
This is wrong on so many levels and it just goes to show how ‘off’ the celebrity mind is. They don’t live in the real world and I have never listened to them, nor will I ever.

I’m proud you stood up and said something because this just blows my mind.

Posted by Kira Daniels  on  10/01  at  12:44 PM

What a bunch of fucking bastards. Let’s see how THEY feel if they’re god-damned raped.

This boils my blood to heart-attack proportions and all I can think of calling them a bunch of names.

Posted by Wendyq  on  10/01  at  12:49 PM

I had this big post before and somehow messed up the security word so it erased everything. Suffice it to say that most people deserve a second chance but not if they admit to the wrongdoing then run awy from the punishment. HE DESERVES TO ROT IN JAIL! There is no place on this earth where his behavior should be acceptable and those who stand with him ARE WRONG! pure and simple.

Posted by  on  10/01  at  12:52 PM

Oh, thank God. I really thought I was losing my mind—for a while I was wondering if I was the only person ready to spit nails over the horrific hypocrisy of it all. I actually saw a quote from someone: “He shouldn’t be extradited; he’s suffered enough.”

What can one possibly say to something like that??? “Hey, lemme drug and rape *your* kid—then tell me if he’s suffered enough.” Man oh man oh man.

Okay, rant off before my blood pressure goes wonky, but thank you for posting this, Marjorie!

Posted by Sierra Dafoe  on  10/01  at  01:14 PM

This blog post is one of the best pieces I’ve read all year.  Thank you so much for writing it: it’s wonderful, and I agree wholeheartedly.  I’m horrified that people have supported Polanski, just as I’ve been horrified when people have continued, over the years, to watch his films.  Being “artistic” or “talented” doesn’t get you off the hook for for drugging and raping a child.  At least, not in the civilised world.

Posted by Jane Smith  on  10/01  at  01:22 PM

Brilliant, brilliant post. Absolutely nailed it for me - people are sick and the way they twist the truth to suit themselves is beyond the pale.

Posted by Allison Pang  on  10/01  at  01:31 PM

Well said, Marjorie--thank you!

Posted by  on  10/01  at  01:35 PM

Thank you for putting into word what the rest of us have been thinking this past week.

Don’t apologize.

Posted by  on  10/01  at  01:46 PM

You’re right, Majorie. I haven’t even heard all this hoopla because I barely watch the news anymore. It’s disgusting. I have been a social worker and seen this up front and I am sooo sick of it. And this is why everyone needs to speak up so that laws can change. **sigh** You get more time for getting high than raping a baby…

Posted by Tyhitia  on  10/01  at  04:20 PM

they have been saying a lot of the same things over another blog i read and I could not agree more.
you have no need to apologize.
wish i could say it better than that

Posted by  on  10/01  at  06:23 PM

Polanski is, professionally, a gifted artist. Personally, at least in some respects, he is a ‘worthless piece of slime’, to steal Edward G. Robinson’s line from ‘Ragtime’.

Many of the comments expressing rage against him, however, seem to be as angry about his celebrity status as his crime. Question: if he were a ‘nobody’ who had done the same thing 30 years ago, and fled, and if his victim now had stated publicly that she wished to drop the whole matter, how many people would be calling for him to ‘rot in jail’, as if he were a mass-murderer? How many would favor spending tens of thousands of dollars in public funds, perhaps more, to extradite and re-try him?

And what, exactly, is the purpose of going after him now? Truth? No, the facts have long been known. Protecting the public? I haven’t seen any argument being put forth that Polanski poses a danger to others. Revenge? Even when the victim does not want it? What’s left? “Justice?” Which means what, exactly?

It appears to me that most of the rage here comes from the feeling that because of his status Polanski has been allowed to ‘get away’ with something that an ordinary man would have been imprisoned for. (Along with, of course, the justifiable rage at stupid Hollywood comments defending him.)

If I were the prosecutor I would propose some kind of deal like this: Polanski repays to the LA prosecutor’s office all the money they have spent on his case over the last 30 years, with interest; makes a large donation to some kind of organization that works against sexual abuse of children; makes a large payment to his victim and her family; and makes a public statement on camera confessing again and apologizing to his victim, to the taxpayers of Los Angeles, and to his public. In return, the sentence is suspended and extradition efforts are dropped.

Something along those lines would be much more beneficial than spending a lot more money to bring him back to the U.S. so he can spend some time in prison.

Posted by  on  10/02  at  01:10 AM

Question: if he were a ‘nobody’ who had done the same thing 30 years ago, and fled, and if his victim now had stated publicly that she wished to drop the whole matter, how many people would be calling for him to ‘rot in jail’,

Eric, I don’t care who he is.  Polanski, in my opinion, is less than a nobody.  Only a monster drugs and rapes a child.

So yes, to answer your question, I don’t care if it’s a celebrity, if it’s a homeless bum, a priest, a baker, a candlestick maker.  He needs to take the punishment that is due.  He needs to take responsibility for it.

Could he have changed?  It’s possible.  But true change would also come with personal accountability.

Until he’s got the guts to do that, the decency to do that, until he’s willing to face the punishment for that awful crime, I doubt he’s changed. 

Which would leave me fearing for the safety of other children.

Posted by Shiloh Walker  on  10/02  at  05:57 AM

What you’re implying, whether you meant to or not, is that the only reason people are upset is because he’s a rich old dude who got away with something, so let’s punish him—just for that.

So let’s get something straight here:  He raped a child. 

It is a matter of public record that he has been sexually involved with other underage girls—at least fifteen years of age, and he has made the public comment that, “Everyone likes to fuck young girls.” Most people would classify this behavior as that of a sexual predator. 

And yes, strip away his “celebrity” and make him a “regular” man, a “nobody”—and that prior behavior certainly would be enough to put him in jail.  Longer than a month.  As far as I’m concerned, anyone with his behavior should be called out “rot in jail.”

As Shiloh said, “...I don’t care if it’s a celebrity, if it’s a homeless bum, a priest, a baker, a candlestick maker.  He needs to take the punishment that is due.  He needs to take responsibility for it.”

Because he committed a crime.  And it’s a crime that is usually repeated. 

The timing is peculiar, I’ll give you that.  But so what?  I don’t buy the victim forgiveness argument, either—if prosecutors gave up on every rapist because the victim didn’t want her/his case to go to trial, there would be rapists walking free all over the place.  I’m very sorry that she doesn’t want this brought up again—more sorry than I can say—but if Elizabeth Smart can take the stand and testify about her 9 month ordeal of daily, multiple rapes as the slave and “wife” of a crazy predator, then I think the Polanski victim can, too.  Because it is the right thing to do.  Justice has not been served.

What is justice, you might ask?  That’s a heavy word—and I don’t mean that sarcastically.  Justice has a different meaning for everyone.  I have seen cases where the sentences are not just enough—and others where there was, perhaps, a little too much justice.  There is the spirit, and the letter, of the law.

And in Polanski’s case, neither were applied. 

Is there anger that his fame and fortune gave him, essentially, a free pass?  Sure.  Because it is unjust.  But is it the only reason?  No. Absolutely not. 

He committed an act of sexual violence against a child.  He broke the law.  He didn’t just rob a bank—which is bad—or jay walk—which is not so bad.  He violated a 13 year old girl.  He hurt another living human being.

There are a lot of men—and women—who violate children.  Forget, for a moment, the stuff that goes on behind the closed doors of home, or in schools, etc.  The commercial sexual exploitation of children affects MILLIONS of kids each year.  Child Sex Tourism is huge business.  And people get away with it to commit these crimes again and again.

So if I am angry, it was because a kid was hurt.  And no—emphatically no—I do not believe that Polanski should be allowed such a light deal as the one you proposed.  That would be another slap in the face of the victim—and those like her—who have been subjected to violence at the hands of someone more powerful. 

Nor will it cost the LA District Attorney a great deal of money to prosecute Polanski—because he doesn’t have to be prosecuted.  He already pled guilty.  The DA only needs to represent the People at the sentencing.  Polanski is the one spending a great deal of money—trying to block his extradition.

Posted by  on  10/02  at  06:16 AM

Hi again Marjorie,

I actually don’t care much what happens to Polanski, unless his case draws attention to the bigger problem: the ongoing abuse and exploitation of children by the thousands all over the world, whether it’s in the sex-tourism industry or just an uncle or next-door neighbor taking advantage of a vulnerable child. Sexual abuse of children, like male violence against women, is a kind of sickness, and we need to figure out how to prevent and cure it. Punishment does nothing to prevent future crimes, except when a perpetrator is actually held in prison.

A drug addict is immune to any rational argument about his behaviour, and is unable to control the impulses that control him. Sexual deviants appear to be in the same category. So what is it in the brains or souls of some people—mostly men—that creates these hateful impulses and produces such atrocities so pervasively and so regularly that they are virtually routine? That’s what we need to find out.

Eric

Posted by  on  10/02  at  06:50 AM

Well said, Marjorie. I of course agree whole-heartedly.

Posted by  on  10/02  at  11:45 AM

Apparently he drugged and raped other children as well.

Not one penny of my money will ever go to support work by anyone who comes out in support of Polanski. You can bet I will do my small part to ensure their support of child rape is remembered every time their name is mentioned.

Arnold the Groper is already positioning himself to pardon Polanski. No surprise there.

Posted by  on  10/03  at  08:51 PM

You’re right. Not only was his crime appalling, but so are the attitudes of the people who are apologising for him. I’d once thought better of Whoopi Goldberg and of Terry Gilliam. I’m also appalled at how long it’s taken to drag him out of his bolt-hole in a so-called ‘civilised’ country.

Re. climate change, that’ll destroy civilisation; the world will go on in a different fashion. I know this, I do sustainability for a living. But unless civilisation is worth saving, I agree with you, why bother?

I’d like to see a PR campaign publicising all the people who are supporting Polanski, declaring them to be supporters of child rape and calling for a boycott of their works.

Posted by Mike Gallagher  on  10/04  at  06:41 AM

Justice isn’t about what “good” it’s going to do.  Justice is about wielding punishment for what is wrong and on a legal note, it is meting out punishment for illegal activity.

Roman Polanski needs to go to jail for drugging and raping children.  Period.  Whether his going to jail is going to stop child trafficking isn’t the issue here.  As far as I’m concern, his being in jail is ONE LESS person out there going to Europe and Thailand and taking advantage of children there.

Whoopie, Terry Gilliam, Debra Winger or The Arnold wouldn’t be making these stupid statements if it were their daughter or niece or relative who had been raped by Polanski. I’m disgusted by the attempt to whitewash a horrific act done to a 13 year old child.

Posted by Gennita Low

“In Native American and First Nation justice philosophy and practice, healing, along with reintegrating individuals into their community, is more important than punishment. The Native peacemaking process involves bringing together victims, offenders and their supporters to get to the bottom of a problem. While contrary to traditional Eurocentric justice, this parallels the philosophy and processes of the modern restorative justice movement. In the Native worldview there is a deep connection between justice and spirituality: in both, it is essential to maintain or restore harmony and balance.” [Source: ]http://www.iirp.org/library/natjust1.html]

The Native American approach makes so much more sense to me. It has a sanity and wholeness about it that I find lacking in the Western notions of jurisprudence. It asks the right question: How can we bring healing to this situation?”

Eric

Posted by  on  10/05  at  11:37 AM

I don’t think that’s true at all that we are all eager to punish him - what we are all ‘eager’ to do is to make sure that people who drug and rape children are taken off the streets so that they don’t do this to anyone else - regardless of their so-called status in life. 

I would be interested to know whether you would hold this position if it had been your child? Don’t get me wrong I’m not attacking your views, but would be interested to see if your opinion would change in such circumstances.  I agree in an ideal world we would all like to resolve these issues in this manner – but this theory is also dependant upon the individual being reasonable – in reality, what you are saying to this ABUSER is that if you commit such a heinous crime – the result for this shall be to sit down and calmly discuss with your victim what you have done?? Most victims who have taken up the courts on the offer to visit and tell the individual how they have felt about what they have done – have met with smirks and more threats – I have had to sit through this many times in my earlier volunteering work.  I am of the belief that a leopard will never change his spots – if a man premeditated the rape of a child and gets away with it – his thinking shall be – okay the next time I’ll get away with it as well.  If he is sent away to prison then maybe just maybe he shall think twice before he does it again. 

Official statistics put the number of child victims of sexual abuse in England at two in every 10,000 but an NSPCC survey of young adults’ childhood experiences shows the figure to be a lot higher at 11 children in every 100. This suggests that most sexual assaults on children go undetected and for every one child identified as a victim of sexual abuse there are 549 child victims who have suffered in silence – if we can put away one ABUSER then it is a victory for those children who are at risk of being abused by this man.

I have worked for the Zero Tolerance – the Women’s Refuge and have counseled women and children of abuse for over 14 years and have seen the results of what this violence has caused to that individuals life. These men and in some cases women - repeatedly abused their partners and in one case the husband of one such woman - blinded her in one eye and is still roaming free - because they were not brought to justice this pattern of abuse will be continued throughout this abusers life if he/she is not stopped.  By stopped I mean taken off the streets so that they cannot continue to do this to others.

On top of that I also know that this reaction of utter horror and disgust is not because of the fact that he is a so-called celebrity but because a MAN who has DRUGGED and RAPED a child has been allowed free for so many years and the idea that he could have been free to do this horrendous act many times over is what is causing such outrage. 

I’m positive that we all had the same amount of horror and heartbreak for the children in the recent on-going case of Child Abuse in Jersey - if those people once proven guilty had been/are set free - you bet that we would all be having this same conversation.  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3471210.ece#

The difference in these cases is one thing and one thing only - we are all reacting to the reports - that a MAN who RAPED a child could be set free.  If we hear tomorrow that the ABUSERS from the Jersey case are set free then you bet the reaction shall be the same.

Posted by  on  10/06  at  05:19 AM

I’m pro-harsh punishment in this case, as I do think it would act as a strong deterrent. Paying a fine, while having the potential to help victims, doesn’t seem like such a bad outcome for the offender. There would be less motivation for the offender (as well as other potential offenders) to refrain from such conduct in the future. (Though yes, this is phrased in a social utility argument - my mistake for not realising it.)

I suppose the choice of either a fine or imprisonment depends perhaps on whether you see providing funding to help victims as more important, or whether you see deterrence/prevention as more important. Unfortunately, it seems we have to choose either one or the other in dealing with the offender (unless one advocates both ‘punishments’ or some such.. which raises other issues).

While I do see the merits in the holistic approach to dealing with problems, like Ash, I am wary about applying it in the (child) sexual offences context. I strongly doubt a child rape victim would be willing to ‘work together’ with their offender, let alone see them again. In this context, a ‘working together’ approach may prove to be more damaging than healing. If we are finding a way to heal offenders, it should not be at the expense of victims.

Posted by  on  10/06  at  08:22 AM

Before dismissing Amerindian justice, have a look at this—

http://www.iirp.org/library/vt/vt_bushie.html

—in which a community successfully deals with widespread sexual abuse. The process described is rigorous, not some kind of easy way out for the offender. The healing is for everyone.

Posted by  on  10/06  at  04:52 PM

Thanks for that link; it was an interesting and informative read.

I’m afraid I misinterpreted your previous comment as referring to the victim and offender working together. From the link though, I see that you’re talking about a community process, with the community working with both victim and offender (rather than about forcing the victim/offender to interact, which is how I read your comment). I hope I’ve reinterpreted this correctly…

Though as the article says, unfortunately, not everyone will be committed to the process of healing as described. There will be some who would choose it to avoid conventional punishment/sentencing. Furthermore, the abuse in the community referred to in the article occurred in a context of broader societal problems. This would suggest that drugs/alcohol/etc were at the root of at least some of the offences. n that context, we at least know where part of the problem lies and how we can begin to remedy it. However, not all offenders are affected by such problems as drugs/alcohol/etc. There is no known ‘cure’ for people who are driven by the ‘sickness’ in their minds and yet are otherwise normal and mentally fit. When you have such people who would freely choose to offend, then I believe deterrence could probably be the most effective… In other words, I think punishment/deterrence may be the more useful tool we have against child abuse, particularly since we don’t yet know how to rehabilitate (and prevention better than cure, etc). This is just my opinion though.

Yes, the adversarial system has its flaws, but it does have its merits, it’s what we have, and it’s better than no system of justice at all. Accordingly, one would hope to see it at work. For example, in the Polanski case.

In other news, this has gotten somewhat off-topic…

Posted by  on  10/08  at  08:13 AM

First my message is to the Author herein:::  I am more than disgusted than you are, I have 9 children 5 boys and 4 girls. And let me tell you, and this is a WARNING TO ALL PEDOPHILIES. If you rape any of my children, I will hunt you down and kill you like a dog in the street or wherever I might find you.  With that said, I regret that my country allowed this dog to get away.  I have watched theeffects of two of my sisters having been raped at a young and tender age. I will not put up with these kind of vermin, ever....

Posted by  on  10/08  at  11:07 PM

Great story, Judy. Thank God for good Samaritans, whatever their packaging. It just goes to show, “...Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.” I Samuel. It’s something we all need to remember

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